Rebuild? Why? - Marble Machine X #142

15 okt 2020
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A lot of REAL progress this week! I thought it was high time that i tried to give you all some context on why i am doing this major redesign that i am working on right now. Im presenting one theory that might explain the motivation behind the decision to do this redesign. Perhaps the Marble Machine X itself is the Local Maximum, in that case, the current process will lead me to that discovery and i will take another u-turn to find the path to the world tour. Probably i will take the advice that has been given to me so many times during the past years: "Why dont you just play guitar?"
:) Hope you all are are having a great day and enjoy everyone! ;) / Martin

Rebuild? Why? - Marble Machine X #142
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Kommentarer
  • Ooof that was a brutal angle grinder. Hang in there Martin, regardless of what happens we support you.

    DoodleChaosDoodleChaos15 dagar sedan
    • You’re just dragging it out for the $27,000 patreon bucks every month.

      SIDSID6 dagar sedan
    • @Wintergatan YASSSSSSSS

      TheChipmunk2008TheChipmunk200810 dagar sedan
    • Redesign?????? am gonna stop watching i sad a million times Martin has a problem ... i wasted like 3 years following this project ........we all know martin he is perfectionist ,but every thing has its limit.. and i think he is doing this because the channel was not for building the marble machine , so he is scraping the barrel , soo it was fun while it lasted .... bye bye

      JoRasEyezJoRasEyez10 dagar sedan
    • @Wintergatan Hi Martin, You're now reaching epic levels of failure rates with the grinder! ;-) People in the comments below are talking about 6 Sigma standards. I'd also mention that you've reached the stratosphere-- you're now talking about aeronautical design levels of failure. See also ideas about "redundancy" in design and "fault tolerance." Airplane safety statistics might also be helpful to get a grasp of how to pinpoint design durability and weakness. Keep striving for excellence!

      numfortably_combednumfortably_combed12 dagar sedan
    • If you had to approach a completely different, but equally complex machine build project in the future, knowing what you have learned along the way, what would you do differently? Seems to me that you might invest more time testing single prototypes of a sub-mechanism before iterating them across the machine itself - that is, for example, build one marble dropper, and test it with a million marble drops. Then you're only fixing one thing, rather than fixing 20 of the same thing, only to find that the fix isn't sufficient. I'm not saying I would do better myself (in fact I know I wouldn't - I simply lack the patience for this scale and complexity of engineering), and it's also less exciting and less fulfilling to be just testing components, instead of seeing the machine emerge of course. Hope this doesn't come across as critique - I'm actually just interested to know how your methodologies have changed across the course of the project.

      Atomic ShrimpAtomic Shrimp14 dagar sedan
  • 2:45 Whoa there, never stupid.

    ShelbyShelby4 timmar sedan
  • 23:20 Yep, but Tesla cars are on the roads and MMX did`t play half of a song.

    JD IonicJD Ionic14 timmar sedan
  • Your percentages reminded me of the term "the five nines" which I heard from a software developer talking about companies in the 90s, advertising their software to be 99.999% reliable without errors. After just looking it up on Wikipedia I noticed that there are many terms similar to it, just changing the number. So, you're targeting "seven nines" which is a grand goal, but if there's one person who can achieve it, it's you, Martin! =D en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_availability#Percentage_calculation

    Kniffel101Kniffel101Dag sedan
  • But i like the old version the way it is played...

    JONREY MONDANOJONREY MONDANODag sedan
  • Meanwhile I can't even make a model steam engine :D

    Kami samaKami samaDag sedan
  • ohhh.. my little hearts :')

    Dimas Galeng JatigiriDimas Galeng JatigiriDag sedan
  • yes of course, it is the same as a marriage....

    JOE 90JOE 90Dag sedan
  • Seems to me that you could have sold even the flawed original version for, say, $50k, and started over from scratch. Regardless of economics, it might have been less emotionally painful than hacking up the machine (I couldn't have done it!).

    Tom BurkeTom Burke2 dagar sedan
  • How much money & time spent thus far . Great work 👍

    T11T112 dagar sedan
  • Saw the bunnies!!, did you see the chimp at 12:20 ?

    déjà vudéjà vu2 dagar sedan
  • why?

    Wall RiderWall Rider2 dagar sedan
  • I believe

    Hairy McClairyHairy McClairy2 dagar sedan
  • -No Martin! let the MMX go! -Ha ha angle grinder go brrrr

    Nnn NnnNnn Nnn2 dagar sedan
  • this is amazing

    Clemens MixClemens Mix2 dagar sedan
  • It’s starting to feel like a treadmill of progress. Seems like you were close to finishing the thing for a while but new designs keep interrupting. I’m starting to wonder if the world tour will ever happen....

    gopernoper's trainsgopernoper's trains2 dagar sedan
  • I enjoy your enthusiasm but the fundamental idea driving the rebuild seems flawed so probably yield unsatisfactory results. It would be far easier to make a way for jammed stuck marbles to be removed quick and easy / so the machine can still function

    NN2 dagar sedan
  • I have the same earprotectors. :)

    Henrik PetterssonHenrik Pettersson2 dagar sedan
  • Take a shot everytime he says locktight

    Bltck123Bltck1232 dagar sedan
  • Don’t ever give up on your dreams!!

    Natalie OlsenNatalie Olsen3 dagar sedan
  • I'm sorry what generation am I in again?

    SquiddyCowSquiddyCow3 dagar sedan
  • Do you try soap to reduce friction ?

    Le chimisteLe chimiste3 dagar sedan
  • I always use grafite powder when my bikelock isn't going smooth anymore. ;) Wonderlube!

    SixteenFtPaulySixteenFtPauly3 dagar sedan
  • что? он почти доделал? мы вот-вот сможем услышать и увидеть? ну-да, ну-да... а давайте все переделаем заново :(

    666fedr666fedr3 dagar sedan
  • The real marble machine was the friends we made along the way

    SomeIntrovertSomeIntrovert3 dagar sedan
  • Feature creep is just a normality... it will never be done.

    James ImpeyJames Impey3 dagar sedan
  • YOUR 🧠 YOUR INGENUITY.. 💡 YOUR AMAZING MAN! AN INSPIRATION!!! 🤙🏽🤙🏽 MAD RESPECT! Thank you for sharing with us!

    Arthur FleckArthur Fleck3 dagar sedan
  • Rrrrrrrreee make

    Wolf Hound bossyWolf Hound bossy3 dagar sedan
  • do a giveaway on the marble arms! your fans would love this, and it would e a way to get rid of them if you aren't using them- some kind of givaway/competition. i got this idea when you said "statue"

    -Arkaiid--Arkaiid-4 dagar sedan
  • It’s NOT Sunken Cost Fallacy. Setbacks and detours are a natural part of the path and process towards any goal. This is a turnaround, not a failure. It’s a necessity for further progression and improvement. The MMX project can’t fail, as it has no definitive parameters for success - it can only be accomplished to a higher or lesser degree in so much more or less time. Of course you should continue. You, me and all of us look forward to the next step in the story as much as the finalization of the project with a world concert tour. We love to share your enthusiasm and despair, your aspiration and frustration, your elated victories and confounded disappointments. Look at it this way: it has been, and still is, a most glorious journey so far - why stop now? It’s all a labour of love and as long as you’re happy, we’re happy.

    Linus Eklund AdolphsonLinus Eklund Adolphson4 dagar sedan
  • 10:36 I'm going to try to appl.. oy, wow (LOL)

    Homsan LolisanHomsan Lolisan4 dagar sedan
  • I'm very look forward to the success of the marble machine x. It's more hardwork to rebuild it but I will support you anyway. The melody of the old marble machine still is the favourite of mine. MMX undoubtedly will be much more better.

    Jia Ern ChongJia Ern Chong4 dagar sedan
  • why did you do this

    gnarly cool dudesgnarly cool dudes4 dagar sedan
  • Holy shit, please keep going

    Odyseusz KoskiniotisOdyseusz Koskiniotis5 dagar sedan
  • Although the chronological progress is missing, I would love to see the excess plywood boards side by side with their intended design in an exhibition when MMX is finally done. It'd be like another self-playing music machine museum, this time, featuring the creator in the flesh.

    Random Voice ie. Ian TanRandom Voice ie. Ian Tan5 dagar sedan
  • The year 2023. "We are on rebuild #37 of the MMX!"...... I think this is the strategy...It never really gets done. Only improved perpetually. In the real world this is called scope creep and has brought many a good project to its knees and onward into failure. Here in youtube land there is no such thing as scope creep or failure. Only excited supporters watching the evolution of something fascinating.

    BrianRDubBrianRDub5 dagar sedan
  • This is why the human mind has so many stabilizing features. Falling off .01% of cliffs, or eating .01% of the broken glass we find, is rubbish.

    momentinpassingmomentinpassing5 dagar sedan
  • Hahaha that sick illuminati-esque graphs comparison, love it

    Kalle JillhedenKalle Jillheden5 dagar sedan
  • Paste wax is also good for reducing friction on wood surfaces.

    Coxy's RailroadingCoxy's Railroading5 dagar sedan
  • Discovery & Analysis => Improvement & learning => Progress ^____________________________________________________I It's a complex project without a robust precedent. Iteration is the way forward.

    Coxy's RailroadingCoxy's Railroading5 dagar sedan
  • Hey man i remember when you came out with that video in 2016 and I loved that video then. I rediscovered it and I realized that one day this machine will be in a museum. If you need to take a break at anytime we'll understand.

    KingPatrick 12KingPatrick 125 dagar sedan
  • idk man i think youve entered a black hole

    DanDan6 dagar sedan
  • If you're worried about design flaw you can't have metal on wood friction. Might as well change now.

    hypothetical their claviclehypothetical their clavicle6 dagar sedan
  • this is honestly such an incredible project. making a machine that plays music isn't an easy feat and it is amazing to see you work on this project and refine it to be a music and engineering masterpiece.

    DarkhFyreDarkhFyre6 dagar sedan
  • Why don't you add another marblegate per channel and reduce the gear ratio, that will give each marble double the time to get settled in the marblegate. You'll have to slim down the design tho to keep the width of the original design

    samilisamili6 dagar sedan
  • Maybe you could try „Silbergleit“ instead of Graphite Powder. Its more like a paste. I‘m really amezed every time when I‘m using it how much it reduces friction. www.silbergleit.de/

    Marco RooseMarco Roose6 dagar sedan
  • "I'm rebuilding the Marble Machine X!" Germans: 24:49

    DaskutDaskut7 dagar sedan
  • This is *marbelous*

    Pixel The IncrediboxerPixel The Incrediboxer7 dagar sedan
  • Martin- I've missed quite a few episodes. But, I had a thought after your Captain Context vid: Are you treating the wooden parts to reduce the impact of humidity? A couple of decades ago, we use to make our robot chassis from plywood. We did our work in Ohio but the competition was at EPCOT in Florida. To avoid the plywood swelling from absorbing water due to the high humidity, we painted the chassis with several coats. Is there a coating on your plywood parts? Maybe it won't be an issue with your smaller parts.

    Joe BalintJoe Balint7 dagar sedan
  • You need to link up with Adam Savage

    lexdimond1lexdimond17 dagar sedan
  • This calls for an intervention. Somebody get him out of the shed? Feels like current circumstances take a heavy toll on artists. Nothing wrong with focusing on details but this turns more and more into an unhealthy obsession - called perfecting yourself to death. It's not worth going insane over this.

    Benjamin StadlerBenjamin Stadler7 dagar sedan
  • If it were not for this kind of ambition and determination the world would never have the light bulb, the automobile, or the airplane. Keep up the good work.

    KWAKWA7 dagar sedan
  • I feel sorry for those ones who are making the 3D model of MMX. ^^'

    Hadley SiqueiraHadley Siqueira7 dagar sedan
  • when i hear brutal, i think of sledgehammers.

    PurpleGuy2779PurpleGuy27797 dagar sedan
  • Someday you'll need some magnetic polarized balls repelling to each other to avoid some noise .. or mechanism .. try adding alternated magnet binaries .. if they repels each other there is no reasonable motives to the marble to get stocked .. cause it will flow by magnet repulsion almoust for about forever..

    Evan StuntEvan Stunt7 dagar sedan
  • Martin, why is it that in many of your videos the sound is sometimes out of phase and a moment later (next edit step) back in phase again?

    ronroozronrooz7 dagar sedan
  • Bruh

    UraneumUraneum7 dagar sedan
  • Why? YT-Money for this "never ending story"!

    Baron MünchhausenBaron Münchhausen7 dagar sedan
  • Piano Technician here, I would advise against using Graphite Powder. In pianos it is useful for the short term, but eventually it gums up. Some "technicians" use graphite so much that it ends up everywhere, and those parts need to be cleaned or replaced because the friction becomes unmanageable. Instead I would recommend using Teflon powder, very sparingly.

    Anson OldsAnson Olds7 dagar sedan
  • An alternative to graphite is High-Density Polyethylene (HDPE) . It's like a low-friction plastic material that should be pretty easy to machine.

    Abe DillonAbe Dillon7 dagar sedan
  • At some point, you gotta lock in the design (flaws and all) and push future improvements to MMX 2.0 After the world tour, you'll have money for all sorts of fun tools.

    Abe DillonAbe Dillon7 dagar sedan
  • I think your math is off. If you do something 100 times with a 99% success rate, than you have 0.99^100 = 0.366 chance of it working. Obviously not good enough, but that's still not 100% chance of one failure. A 99.99% success rate 3600 times is 69.76%. Increasing success rate by a single nine gives you 96.46%! If you want to play the machine ten times a day with a >95% success rate (less than one failure a month), you need each individual operation to have a 99.9999% success rate. Which is probably beyond standard engineering. NASA quotes figures like 99.74% success rates for engines. Have you considered finding ways to recover gracefully from a failure?

    Willaby UbertonWillaby Uberton7 dagar sedan
  • me: doesn't watch wintergatan for a few weeks, come back. martin: I've replaced half of the machine. Wow what an improvement. The lack of noise on that runthrough :o it's beautiful

    EthanEthan7 dagar sedan
  • He is not crazy, just devoted. I support you Martin!

    MantraHerbInchSinMantraHerbInchSin7 dagar sedan
  • yeah... lets start all over again.... at this point this is so stupid

    Martin A.Martin A.7 dagar sedan
  • I changed my mind:"never" - period.

    Jörg JohowJörg Johow7 dagar sedan
  • you have the coolest job ever.. if you can call it that. incredible.

    Carson KendallCarson Kendall7 dagar sedan
  • 15:38 Good spot, Martin!

    Somebody_ElseSomebody_Else8 dagar sedan
  • I hear your ‘feels’ 100% :o) I ran the same race car 4x4 from 1993 to 2020 and it got changed many times. Around 2011 I took an angle grinder to the back and was cutting out redundant brackets from 1993. It was bad/good feeling. It was waaay better for it. *At the moment I am making a Mamod steam car into a Gscale rail car. I will have a small box of prototype parts that each took hours to make. :O

    teamidristeamidris8 dagar sedan
  • @wintergatan, Auction off your spare parts as souvenirs.

    LangyXLangyX8 dagar sedan
  • Not gonna lie. I don’t care about any sort of reason. I’m not gonna stick around for someone to rebuild the same thing over and over and over and over again. Been here for years now. Watching you do this so many times is just monumentally disappointing. Keep screwing yourself, the people who help you, and your fans. Just finish the machine dude. Probability and what actually will happen can be two entirely different things. But oh well. Just milk a Patreon for years with no finished product.

    YourResidentRedlegYourResidentRedleg8 dagar sedan
  • 9146 X 5 = 45,730

    Frank WellsFrank Wells8 dagar sedan
  • I Can hear the cad team screaming

    Jonas PihlJonas Pihl8 dagar sedan
  • "All my friends have at least one friend like that." Hmmm... checks out.

    Jamie KawabataJamie Kawabata8 dagar sedan
  • You build it, man! seworld.info/will/nrGnrtWvd3x43p8/video

    wilson langeaniwilson langeani8 dagar sedan
  • This is a prime example of why I unsubscribed from this channel. What will you redesign next? You can spend the rest of your life on continuous improvements. I can see it now Episode #507 - Marble Divider Version 8

    Ro PaulRo Paul8 dagar sedan
  • I wish I was this brilliant.

    Chuck DChuck D8 dagar sedan
  • I think it would be better to design the MMX to be serviceable, to have easy to replace parts and ways to recover from failure quickly

    Rafael PernilRafael Pernil8 dagar sedan
  • I am not sure if you want to get your machine complete. Wth?

    Niko ShropshireNiko Shropshire8 dagar sedan
  • Well your probability math is a bit poor there but okay, u can't really say u have a 99% stability rate based on 100 marbles, that is not a dynamic probability. What you are looking for is stability, meaning a 99.9% probability for each marble to go through the system successfully, if after this you can start calculating using the probability of instance 1, and put the number of attempts as a power of. Probability of a marble stopping within 3584 time(s) at 99.9% probability = 0.9993584 = 0.027714675751556 = 2.77% So at 99.9% you'd actually have a 2.77% failure rate for each time you played the song, that is more than acceptable.

    Skillfully ExecutedSkillfully Executed8 dagar sedan
  • 25:43 "I know my friends have at least one friend like that" That one cracked me up :D

    MC FalkensteinMC Falkenstein8 dagar sedan
  • 4:35 Hey guys, ChrisFix here

    Diário de um casal vikingDiário de um casal viking8 dagar sedan
  • Lolz that graph about the local max is hilarious

    CharlieCharlie8 dagar sedan
  • Your transparency is so refreshing Martin. Been a fan for quite a while and love how much detail you give all us fans. Cheers and Stay Safe.

    CharlieCharlie8 dagar sedan
  • Martin Don't you dare quit on this! You can get it to work I know you can do it!!!!

    nursefuzzywuzzynursefuzzywuzzy8 dagar sedan
  • You should make a "Loctite usage" counter next video of assembly lol xD

    MeMuXMeMuX8 dagar sedan
  • I wonder if we'll get a remake of the marble machine song on the new marble machine i really hope so :3

    AlexTheFluffyBoiAlexTheFluffyBoi8 dagar sedan
  • Service with a smile

    Pete HydePete Hyde8 dagar sedan
  • What program do you use for your cnc router?

    Michael NioMichael Nio8 dagar sedan
  • I hope I can see my name next time. QAQ

    風見隼人風見隼人8 dagar sedan
  • I have followed your progress in making this masterpiece. I'm very inspired! But at this point it looks like you are too emotional to do this brutal angle grinder. If you discuss this first on SEworld before act, I will advise you to make an MMX version, finish your work in stages, don't destroy what you have previously made, make a new one that is better without destroying the old one. nothing is perfect, perfect is respecting imperfection But I respect your decision. Just don't get discouraged Martin. I hope the best for you!

    Candra ShalahuddinCandra Shalahuddin8 dagar sedan
  • As a Software Developer I can really relate to the complexity and sometimes to the necessety to redisgn things...

    SimorenariumSimorenarium9 dagar sedan
  • 24:49 Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein!

    HackdIluminattihaterHackdIluminattihater9 dagar sedan
  • martin the 371 thousand people that watched this video are the real supporters

    Red DragonRed Dragon9 dagar sedan
  • In other words, songs for the tour are not ready, building life in France is cozy and COVID allows to postpone completition undefinetey

    G erman C arrascoG erman C arrasco9 dagar sedan
  • So this is what I'm wondering... Isn't the likelihood of a master musician missing a note greater than 0.00001%? And isn't the likelihood of a string failing on a guitar greater as well? It's starting to feel like you're chasing precision that might actually be unachievable. The Lego company has some of the most accurate and precise manufacturing of any factory in the world, and 18 out of 1 000 000 pieces are faulty. That's 0.0018%, that's a lower precision than you are aiming for with the MMX. You are building a machine at least partially by hand with the goal of it having higher precision than some of the most sophisticated machines in the world. I'm worried that your unwillingness to compromise could make the completion of the MMX impossible. I admire the dedication, but this is the first time watching these videos that I've truly felt that you might be aiming towards the unachievable.

    NaiOniNaiOni9 dagar sedan
  • As a comparison, how did the original marble machine fare stability-wise? I know a lot of marbles dropped to the floor, as can be seen in the video, but how much work was it to get one song out of the machine?

    TeddTedd9 dagar sedan
  • No one..... German Engineering: Lets make a band using marbles

    Tausif aliTausif ali9 dagar sedan
  • classic to steampunk

    KoaweiKoawei9 dagar sedan
  • With the graph Martin I just got to say I completely support you, but as a machinist I know that if you are dealing with anything mechanical you are going to have failures. Nothing will be perfect you can get close but nothing in this world is perfect.

    Daniel BrendemuehlDaniel Brendemuehl9 dagar sedan
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